Thursday, April 05, 2007


Is that the Beer Temple? Of course it is. It's Busch Stadium and Missouri Baptists flock to the temple by the hundreds to watch Albert Pujols play ball in the stadium that beer bought.

But, wait a minute......

The Journey Church is not permitted to have a discussion group in a brewery?

I don't get it.

It's OK to sit in the middle of a stadium surrounded by slobbering beer guzzling drunks and cheer for the Cardinals but it's not OK to go to Schlafly Bottleworks and talk about the Bible or Jesus with some of those same beer drinkers?

Excuse me, but what planet does this make sense on?


Blogger By Grace Alone said...

Pastor Jim,
I greatly respect where you're coming from, but there seems to me to be a large difference between going places where "beer guzzling" occurs, and making that same place the center for your church. I don't have a problem with a church member going to a bar if they are there to engage people and share the Gospel. I do have a problem with the church meeting at that bar for Bible study or worship or any planned "church function." I may be splitting hairs, but there seems to be a difference between the two.


4/11/2007 9:23 AM  
Blogger Jim Shaver said...


Yes, I believe you and others are splitting hairs.

The "Journey" flap in St. Louis was over a very miniscule portion of their outreach ministry. They simply chose to go to the place where sinners congregate for the purpose of engaging in dialogue.

I guess if Baptists intentionally witness at the ball park then they are guilty of the same sin?

To me this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. If it hasn't then I would expect a motion from the floor of the convention in October to disfellowship Albert Pujols and the MBC church he belongs to.

4/11/2007 3:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“It is better to think of church in the ale-house than to think of the ale-house in church.” - Martin Luther

4/14/2007 8:52 AM  
Blogger Jim Shaver said...

Guess What?
I found out this week that Albert Pujols' Restaurant serves alcohol.

I thought he was a Missouri Baptist.

Let's see now - he gives his tithe, part of which is from money earned on alcohol sales and his church fowards part of that on to the MBC in the form of CP giving. The MBC then turns around and loans part of it to the Journey Church, which uses some of it to do Outreach in a St. Louis brewery.

I believe we've come full circle. Sounds reasonable to me!

4/14/2007 9:22 AM  

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